This special Back to School episode features our special guest Dr. O'nae Chatman, who is an award-winning educational consultant, motivational speaker, and best-selling author of over 30 books. He is the founder of The Chatman Group, which empowers youth through social-emotional learning and leadership development.
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00:00:31 --> 00:00:35 different. Dr. O 'Nay Chapman. O 'Nay Chapman.
00:00:36 --> 00:00:40 Yeah. So, give me the back story to the back
00:00:40 --> 00:00:43 school. So, you know, obviously everybody's got
00:00:43 --> 00:00:46 a back to school story. Right. We get ready to
00:00:46 --> 00:00:51 start school for the 2026, 2027 academic year.
00:00:53 --> 00:00:58 So we thought this is a great... way to give
00:00:58 --> 00:01:02 back. He's a great motivational speaker. And
00:01:02 --> 00:01:07 so this is for a message for the students, parents,
00:01:08 --> 00:01:12 staff, starting the school year. Kind of an awareness,
00:01:12 --> 00:01:15 like, hey, an awareness thing, like when you
00:01:15 --> 00:01:19 go back, be aware. You know, I remember when
00:01:19 --> 00:01:21 I was going back to school and we did the back
00:01:21 --> 00:01:24 to school program. It's gotta be way different
00:01:24 --> 00:01:27 from back then than it is now. You know what
00:01:27 --> 00:01:30 I mean? So it's like, it's more intricate now
00:01:30 --> 00:01:34 because you got social media involved now. We
00:01:34 --> 00:01:36 didn't have that back then. No. Well, we were,
00:01:36 --> 00:01:40 when I was younger, it was more what you were
00:01:40 --> 00:01:44 going to wear. New shoes. As I got older, it
00:01:44 --> 00:01:48 was more or less what was the social gathering
00:01:48 --> 00:01:50 going to be at, you know, back to school parties,
00:01:50 --> 00:01:53 that type of thing. For me, I remember, like
00:01:53 --> 00:02:00 you said, with your new fresh gear. Now, see
00:02:00 --> 00:02:03 it's changed now, because they went from that
00:02:03 --> 00:02:07 to uniforms. Everybody had uniforms now. They
00:02:07 --> 00:02:08 weren't looking forward to what they were going
00:02:08 --> 00:02:10 to wear to school. Because they had uniforms.
00:02:10 --> 00:02:15 Sneakers though. And they even started limiting
00:02:15 --> 00:02:18 that. Right. Sneakers, the type of sneakers they
00:02:18 --> 00:02:28 wear. What do they call it? The cultural, more
00:02:28 --> 00:02:36 cultural sneakers. They had those moccasins.
00:02:36 --> 00:02:39 More the unseasoned chicken, they used those
00:02:39 --> 00:02:42 moccasins. But everybody wore their own. There
00:02:42 --> 00:02:45 you go. That was the back to school. You know,
00:02:45 --> 00:02:46 I used to look forward to it, now that I think
00:02:46 --> 00:02:49 about it. For some crazy reason, my backpack.
00:02:50 --> 00:02:54 Like getting a new backpack. New paper, crazy.
00:02:55 --> 00:02:56 Different stuff I used to look forward to going
00:02:56 --> 00:02:59 back to school. Notebook. Yep, brand new notebook.
00:03:00 --> 00:03:02 I used to look forward to who my new teacher
00:03:02 --> 00:03:06 was gonna be. Who I was gonna sit next to. New
00:03:06 --> 00:03:10 friends. Now that you think about it. It's a
00:03:10 --> 00:03:13 lot. It was a lot. A lot of details in there.
00:03:13 --> 00:03:15 And it depends on where you are in the spectrum.
00:03:16 --> 00:03:18 You're a student, you're looking forward to it
00:03:18 --> 00:03:21 in that way. If you're a parent, as a parent,
00:03:21 --> 00:03:24 I look forward to it in yet another way as more
00:03:24 --> 00:03:27 or less I had to buy supplies. That and prepare.
00:03:27 --> 00:03:31 It's a good and bad side, because I hear them
00:03:31 --> 00:03:34 make the joke like, okay, now that the kids are
00:03:34 --> 00:03:37 going back to school, now the parents, yay, they're
00:03:37 --> 00:03:39 going back to school, they don't have to eat
00:03:39 --> 00:03:41 them out of house and home, that kind of stuff.
00:03:42 --> 00:03:44 There's different aspects to the back to school
00:03:44 --> 00:03:45 thing. Yeah, but then the school hitting you
00:03:45 --> 00:03:49 up. It offsets the schools hitting you up for
00:03:49 --> 00:03:54 everything. So the expenses gonna come from somewhere.
00:03:54 --> 00:03:57 So I wonder, you know, the one thing that, there's
00:03:57 --> 00:03:59 so many different aspects. I can bring up like
00:03:59 --> 00:04:06 a lot. Oh my goodness. From the political standpoint
00:04:06 --> 00:04:11 to the cultural standpoint, there's a lot of
00:04:11 --> 00:04:15 stuff. So we need to do some church announcements.
00:04:15 --> 00:04:17 So let's do the church announcements. We got
00:04:17 --> 00:04:20 a different format for our typical show. So I
00:04:20 --> 00:04:22 want to just let everyone know Reverend Ledbetter
00:04:22 --> 00:04:24 would like to remind everyone that the Back to
00:04:24 --> 00:04:28 School fundraiser for his kids, 25 % of this
00:04:28 --> 00:04:31 month's tithe will be directed through his personal
00:04:31 --> 00:04:36 cash app. Ledbetter. Oh, that's not even normal.
00:04:36 --> 00:04:40 So we need to pray. Let's pray. Dear God. As
00:04:40 --> 00:04:44 a new school year begins, watch over the students,
00:04:44 --> 00:04:47 parents, teachers, and staff. Fill each day with
00:04:47 --> 00:04:50 wisdom, patience, kindness, and courage. Keep
00:04:50 --> 00:04:53 them safe, strengthen them through every challenge,
00:04:53 --> 00:04:56 and bless them with a successful year of learning
00:04:56 --> 00:05:04 and growth. Amen. Let's bring them on. Dr. One
00:05:04 --> 00:05:10 Chapman. Dr. O 'Neill Chapman, how are you, sir?
00:05:11 --> 00:05:13 Doing good, doing good, doing good, man. Glad
00:05:13 --> 00:05:16 to be here with you fellas. Well, you know, we
00:05:16 --> 00:05:18 got to give you a hand clap now, so we got to
00:05:18 --> 00:05:21 give you a hand clap, so let's do this. So let's
00:05:21 --> 00:05:24 adjust to this being on Zoom. It's a little delayed,
00:05:24 --> 00:05:27 so we can adjust to it, though. So I have to
00:05:27 --> 00:05:30 do this introduction where we do, so. If you
00:05:30 --> 00:05:32 could just sit back and let us brag on you for
00:05:32 --> 00:05:35 about 60 seconds, we'll appreciate that. Dr.
00:05:36 --> 00:05:39 O 'Neill Chapman is an award -winning educational
00:05:39 --> 00:05:43 consultant, nationally recognized motivational
00:05:43 --> 00:05:47 speaker and best -selling author of more than
00:05:47 --> 00:05:52 30 books. Rising from humble beginnings in Mississippi,
00:05:52 --> 00:05:55 he has overcome numerous challenges leaving college
00:05:55 --> 00:05:59 at the age of 19, becoming one of the nation's
00:05:59 --> 00:06:02 most compelling voices in student leadership
00:06:02 --> 00:06:06 and youth development. Recognized as one of Mississippi's
00:06:06 --> 00:06:10 top young entrepreneurs on the rise, Dr. Chapman
00:06:10 --> 00:06:14 has earned numerous awards for his outstanding
00:06:14 --> 00:06:17 contributions to education. He's also the founder
00:06:17 --> 00:06:20 of the Chapman Group, an educational consulting
00:06:20 --> 00:06:23 firm dedicated to equipping students with essential
00:06:23 --> 00:06:26 life skills through social, emotional learning,
00:06:26 --> 00:06:29 leadership development, and personal growth.
00:06:29 --> 00:06:32 Please join us in giving a warm welcome to Dr.
00:06:33 --> 00:06:38 Onage. All right. Dr. Teller, welcome to All
00:06:38 --> 00:06:40 in All to Feel, a podcast with a purpose. How
00:06:40 --> 00:06:44 are you, sir? Man, I'm feeling good, feeling
00:06:44 --> 00:06:47 good, feeling charged up, ready to go. Did we
00:06:47 --> 00:06:50 get everything right? Did we miss anything? No,
00:06:50 --> 00:06:52 no, no. Y 'all got it right. So look, we got
00:06:52 --> 00:06:56 to ask you, start out by saying, do you have
00:06:56 --> 00:07:00 a favorite NFL football team? Dallas Cowboy.
00:07:04 --> 00:07:09 Why? Since third grade. Since third grade. I
00:07:09 --> 00:07:13 can't change now. I can't change. So, Dr. Chapman,
00:07:13 --> 00:07:19 listen. Do not tell me that you like Tony Dorsett.
00:07:21 --> 00:07:25 Oh, I love him. Oh, no. I don't know, he was
00:07:25 --> 00:07:28 before my time. I'm born in 82, so he a little
00:07:28 --> 00:07:31 bit before me. I came up with Urban and Emmett
00:07:31 --> 00:07:35 Smith now. Okay, okay. So listen, let me tell
00:07:35 --> 00:07:40 you a quick story. When Emmett Smith was in high
00:07:40 --> 00:07:45 school in Pensacola, I was stationed there in
00:07:45 --> 00:07:51 the Navy. Around that time. You should have been
00:07:51 --> 00:07:56 a Cowboys fan. And I'm not a Cowboys fan. Let
00:07:56 --> 00:07:58 me ask you a question. Who's the goat? LeBron
00:07:58 --> 00:08:02 James or Michael Jordan? Michael Jordan. Thank
00:08:02 --> 00:08:04 you. Thank you. Thank you. We have had people
00:08:04 --> 00:08:06 on here that say some crazy stuff like LeBron
00:08:06 --> 00:08:09 James. There's no way. I can't say it. I can't
00:08:09 --> 00:08:13 do it. I can't do it. Thank you, doctor. I got
00:08:13 --> 00:08:15 a question. Describe your last meal request.
00:08:15 --> 00:08:17 Listen, if you was on death row, I know it's
00:08:17 --> 00:08:19 a crazy question, but if you was on death row,
00:08:19 --> 00:08:24 what would you want to eat? Oh man, I think I'll
00:08:24 --> 00:08:32 give me a steak, a loaded baked potato, and probably,
00:08:33 --> 00:08:40 ooh wee, probably some broccoli. The meal you
00:08:40 --> 00:08:43 chose is the most popular ones, because one time
00:08:43 --> 00:08:45 we did it and we looked percentage -wise and
00:08:45 --> 00:08:47 most people picked the steak and their loaded
00:08:47 --> 00:08:52 baked potato. Yeah. Tell us about the first book
00:08:52 --> 00:08:56 you've ever written. What was the first one I
00:08:56 --> 00:09:02 wrote? Yes. It was a flesh versus spirit flesh
00:09:02 --> 00:09:06 versus spirit. I wrote that one in 2012. That
00:09:06 --> 00:09:11 was the first one. How long did it take? I would
00:09:11 --> 00:09:13 say I probably wrote it over the course of a
00:09:13 --> 00:09:19 year. Yeah. Okay. Wow. Give the parents and and
00:09:19 --> 00:09:22 adults listening a recommendation of a book other
00:09:22 --> 00:09:28 than yourself. I Would advise every parent read
00:09:28 --> 00:09:32 miseducation of the Negro by Carter G. Woodson
00:09:32 --> 00:09:36 Wow That's that's one of the books I put my young
00:09:36 --> 00:09:40 Kings on Even at eight years old nine years old
00:09:40 --> 00:09:43 Okay, when they come to the young Kings we first
00:09:43 --> 00:09:46 book we put them on its miseducation I believe
00:09:46 --> 00:09:49 that book is one of the most critical books ever
00:09:49 --> 00:09:52 written and although it was written in 1933,
00:09:52 --> 00:09:58 it's just as relevant now as it was then. Wow.
00:09:58 --> 00:10:02 Interesting, interesting. Okay, all right. So
00:10:02 --> 00:10:04 tell us about your work with the Chapman Group
00:10:04 --> 00:10:08 and the motivations behind it. So what we do
00:10:08 --> 00:10:12 is we go into schools and work with, so 99 %
00:10:12 --> 00:10:17 of my work is done with black boys. I don't try
00:10:17 --> 00:10:24 to hide that fact. I'm upfront about that, that
00:10:24 --> 00:10:27 I want to see young black males be successful.
00:10:28 --> 00:10:30 And the work that we do is we go in and we teach
00:10:30 --> 00:10:34 them life skills. What they usually look like
00:10:34 --> 00:10:38 is the principal will bring us in to work with
00:10:38 --> 00:10:40 a set of boys that need an extra push. Those
00:10:40 --> 00:10:43 has been getting in trouble. those that just
00:10:43 --> 00:10:47 need that extra help to get over the finish line.
00:10:47 --> 00:10:49 So we come in and work with them over the course
00:10:49 --> 00:10:51 of a year and kind of chart that growth from
00:10:51 --> 00:10:55 there, you know, trying to get them towards graduation.
00:10:56 --> 00:11:01 Okay. Nice. So before we let you give your spiel
00:11:01 --> 00:11:06 to the black school crew, this is called coming
00:11:06 --> 00:11:11 out of the tunnel and it's about athletes. that
00:11:11 --> 00:11:14 have that feeling right before competition. But
00:11:14 --> 00:11:18 in your case, as a speaker, motivational speaker,
00:11:18 --> 00:11:21 can you describe the feeling the first time you
00:11:21 --> 00:11:25 had a motivational speech? Right before that
00:11:25 --> 00:11:29 moment that they had introduced your name. Oh
00:11:29 --> 00:11:36 man, the first time. Man, I'm trying to think
00:11:36 --> 00:11:42 back. It's been so long. Probably just the usual
00:11:42 --> 00:11:46 butterflies. Just trying to work out the little
00:11:46 --> 00:11:51 kinks, the nervousness. But once I start talking,
00:11:51 --> 00:11:55 man, all that leaves. When I say my first word,
00:11:56 --> 00:12:00 man, it leaves instantly. I was just gonna ask
00:12:00 --> 00:12:05 you, do you still get that energetic, that zeal?
00:12:05 --> 00:12:07 There you go, I saw you nod your head. You answered
00:12:07 --> 00:12:11 my question when you nodded your head. Yep. Yep.
00:12:11 --> 00:12:13 Wow. I didn't have to finish the question. You
00:12:13 --> 00:12:16 knew what I was going to ask. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:16 --> 00:12:19 I still get that. I still get that little nervousness
00:12:19 --> 00:12:24 when I'm backstage. But like I said, once, man,
00:12:25 --> 00:12:30 once, once I get that mic, man, it's on. It's
00:12:30 --> 00:12:32 like it's like a like a football player on the
00:12:32 --> 00:12:34 field or basketball player on the court. You
00:12:34 --> 00:12:36 know, once you hit that court, man, that ball
00:12:36 --> 00:12:39 go up tip off. It's over with. I can see it in
00:12:39 --> 00:12:44 your eyes. I can really see it. I can see the
00:12:44 --> 00:12:46 zeal you got for what you're doing in your eyes.
00:12:46 --> 00:12:50 I can see that. So tell us, now you have the
00:12:50 --> 00:12:54 mic, you got the floor. Tell us the message for
00:12:54 --> 00:12:59 the 2026, 2027 academic year. What would you
00:12:59 --> 00:13:03 like to share? Man, I wanna share today that
00:13:03 --> 00:13:06 this year can be different. That is the message
00:13:06 --> 00:13:09 that I want to share today is that this year
00:13:09 --> 00:13:15 can be different And I know You know we we students
00:13:15 --> 00:13:18 going to a new grade You know new levels new
00:13:18 --> 00:13:22 teachers new this new that you know becoming
00:13:22 --> 00:13:25 adjusted to the the new school year But I want
00:13:25 --> 00:13:28 them to know that this year can be different
00:13:28 --> 00:13:32 Okay, you know, you know from from what they've
00:13:32 --> 00:13:35 experienced before because we believe in listen
00:13:35 --> 00:13:37 We're not going to focus on the past, man. If
00:13:37 --> 00:13:40 I could tell my whole story, man, I was a dropout.
00:13:41 --> 00:13:43 I was a college dropout working in a factory,
00:13:43 --> 00:13:45 bro, 19 years old, working in a factory every
00:13:45 --> 00:13:50 day. And man, I started reading four to five
00:13:50 --> 00:13:53 hours a night. First book somebody put in my
00:13:53 --> 00:13:57 hand was a book called Rich Dad, Poor Dad, by
00:13:57 --> 00:14:01 Robert Kiyosaki. somebody put Miles Monroe in
00:14:01 --> 00:14:03 my hand. That's one of my favorite writers and
00:14:03 --> 00:14:07 thinkers, Miles Monroe from the Bahamas. And
00:14:07 --> 00:14:10 then from there, man, I just began to read. I
00:14:10 --> 00:14:12 remember going to Barnes, not Barnes & Noble,
00:14:12 --> 00:14:14 it wasn't Barnes & Noble. It was called Books
00:14:14 --> 00:14:19 of Millionaires. It was a book called Why Should
00:14:19 --> 00:14:23 White Guys Have All the Fun? Lewis, who will
00:14:23 --> 00:14:24 become the first black billionaire in America.
00:14:26 --> 00:14:29 and he died from brain cancer. I remember that.
00:14:29 --> 00:14:32 So I encourage people to get their hands on that
00:14:32 --> 00:14:34 book called, Why Should White Guys Have All The
00:14:34 --> 00:14:38 Fun? It's an excellent read. Yeah, great, great,
00:14:38 --> 00:14:41 excellent read, man. And so from there, man,
00:14:41 --> 00:14:45 I just locked in. I locked in, man. And oh, man,
00:14:45 --> 00:14:49 I really, so when I'm telling young people the
00:14:49 --> 00:14:51 importance of reading, I'm not just giving them
00:14:51 --> 00:14:54 a cliche. I'm really saying reading changed my
00:14:54 --> 00:14:59 life. Yeah, like the power of reading and positive
00:14:59 --> 00:15:02 thinking actually changed my life. Like I was
00:15:02 --> 00:15:05 making $8 an hour through working at a temp service.
00:15:06 --> 00:15:11 You know, but I was grinding. Man, I remember
00:15:11 --> 00:15:14 days, man. I was just telling them at the barbershop,
00:15:14 --> 00:15:17 I remember days of going to lecture. I remember
00:15:17 --> 00:15:20 going to Wiley College to lecture some college
00:15:20 --> 00:15:25 students. And man, I got on the Greyhound bus
00:15:25 --> 00:15:28 and rode all the way to Marshall, Texas to lecture
00:15:28 --> 00:15:31 college students, only to be back at six o 'clock
00:15:31 --> 00:15:33 in the morning to punch a clock, man, to work
00:15:33 --> 00:15:37 in a furniture factory. And so I knew that something
00:15:37 --> 00:15:40 had to change. You know, if I'm gonna really
00:15:40 --> 00:15:43 pursue this thing, something has to be different.
00:15:43 --> 00:15:47 I gotta do something different. because it didn't
00:15:47 --> 00:15:50 match up. Like, ain't no way I'm standing in
00:15:50 --> 00:15:52 front of college students, man, and lecturing
00:15:52 --> 00:15:55 at a college and then go back and work for $8
00:15:55 --> 00:16:00 an hour. But it was my path at that time, man.
00:16:00 --> 00:16:03 It's like God was working that thing at that
00:16:03 --> 00:16:06 time, man, and letting me go through that to
00:16:06 --> 00:16:08 prepare me for all that I'm doing now. And so
00:16:08 --> 00:16:13 you never despise small beginnings. I gotta ask
00:16:13 --> 00:16:16 you a quick question. I have to ask, and it's
00:16:16 --> 00:16:20 not even on the paper. The first book you said
00:16:20 --> 00:16:24 you wrote was Blessing the Spirit, right? Yes.
00:16:25 --> 00:16:30 Did you, okay, did you, and if so, how much of
00:16:30 --> 00:16:32 the Bible did you use to reference your book?
00:16:34 --> 00:16:37 Oh, a whole lot, a whole lot. Okay, let me ask
00:16:37 --> 00:16:41 you this. Do you remember which particular books?
00:16:43 --> 00:16:47 Oh man, a lot of the beginning, I used a lot
00:16:47 --> 00:16:51 of Genesis. And then of course with the whole
00:16:51 --> 00:16:53 flesh versus spirit idea, I'm using a lot of
00:16:53 --> 00:16:56 Paul, because that's mostly what he talks about.
00:16:59 --> 00:17:03 So he's mostly dealing with that whole flesh
00:17:03 --> 00:17:06 versus spirit aspect. And so man, it turned out
00:17:06 --> 00:17:10 good, man. People still use that for their Bible
00:17:10 --> 00:17:16 studies and stuff. It turned out good, but it
00:17:16 --> 00:17:21 was my first one. And I will also say that I
00:17:21 --> 00:17:29 kind of think differently a little bit now after
00:17:29 --> 00:17:35 going to seminary. And so I see some things different
00:17:35 --> 00:17:37 now, but the book is still relevant. Yeah. So
00:17:37 --> 00:17:41 let me ask you this. And I want to use your first
00:17:41 --> 00:17:46 book. If you had to take your first book and
00:17:46 --> 00:17:49 make it applicable to going back to the Back
00:17:49 --> 00:17:51 to School, is there any aspect of it that you
00:17:51 --> 00:17:56 can use? And if so, which one, which part? Oh,
00:17:56 --> 00:18:04 man. I don't know if I would necessarily use
00:18:04 --> 00:18:08 that one for Back to School. I think I had to
00:18:08 --> 00:18:10 go to the shelf and pull one of my other ones.
00:18:11 --> 00:18:14 You know, for the whole back to school piece,
00:18:15 --> 00:18:17 I have, because I have so many, I got the Teen
00:18:17 --> 00:18:20 Success Guide. I would pull something like that,
00:18:20 --> 00:18:22 my Teen Success Guide. I guess that's a better
00:18:22 --> 00:18:24 question. Which one of your books would you pull?
00:18:25 --> 00:18:28 Yeah, I would pull that Teen Success Guide, which
00:18:28 --> 00:18:32 talks about developing life skills and understanding,
00:18:32 --> 00:18:36 you know, how you have to use these skills to
00:18:36 --> 00:18:40 be successful in life. And so I would use that
00:18:40 --> 00:18:42 one because I think that would be more relevant
00:18:42 --> 00:18:44 while the flesh versus spirit would be more relevant
00:18:44 --> 00:18:48 to more of a church audience. A more of a spiritual
00:18:48 --> 00:18:52 audience, yeah. So you would use that one to
00:18:52 --> 00:18:55 apply for the Baptist School? Yeah, I would use
00:18:55 --> 00:18:58 my Teen Success guy. Can you tell us a little
00:18:58 --> 00:19:02 bit more about that one? Yeah, man, so that one...
00:19:02 --> 00:19:05 is about five steps to becoming a leader. So
00:19:05 --> 00:19:08 my biggest thing working with students is I'm
00:19:08 --> 00:19:12 always trying to develop leaders. Because that's
00:19:12 --> 00:19:15 what every principal wants. No matter what school
00:19:15 --> 00:19:17 you go in, that principal is going to tell you,
00:19:17 --> 00:19:20 we want to start developing leaders. They want
00:19:20 --> 00:19:22 leaders walking those halls. They're tired of
00:19:22 --> 00:19:26 having all these followers. Everybody wants leaders.
00:19:27 --> 00:19:30 And so that whole book is about the development
00:19:30 --> 00:19:33 of leaders, the kind of emotional intelligence
00:19:33 --> 00:19:37 that you need to become a leader, because I do
00:19:37 --> 00:19:39 a lot of trainings on emotional intelligence,
00:19:39 --> 00:19:43 because what I tell people is IQ can get you
00:19:43 --> 00:19:46 higher, but it's gonna always be your lack of
00:19:46 --> 00:19:47 EQ that's gonna be the reason you get fired.
00:19:48 --> 00:19:51 Say that one more time, please. Yeah, IQ can
00:19:51 --> 00:19:54 get you higher, but it's gonna be your lack of
00:19:54 --> 00:19:56 EQ that's gonna get you fired. Okay, when you
00:19:56 --> 00:20:00 say EQ, okay. That's fine here. So, you see,
00:20:00 --> 00:20:02 you can't just say that kind of stuff, Doctor,
00:20:03 --> 00:20:06 and then, no sir, you got to cut that steak open
00:20:06 --> 00:20:09 a little bit more. So, I understand the IQ, I
00:20:09 --> 00:20:14 know the acronym. Yep, yep, yep. So, EQ is what
00:20:14 --> 00:20:18 we call emotional intelligence. And what emotional
00:20:18 --> 00:20:21 intelligence is, is understanding your emotions
00:20:21 --> 00:20:25 and the emotions of those around you. Okay. So
00:20:25 --> 00:20:28 self -awareness, social awareness, self -management.
00:20:28 --> 00:20:32 How do you manage yourself? Team -building skills.
00:20:32 --> 00:20:35 How do you work when you get on a team? You know,
00:20:35 --> 00:20:37 all these different skills. And what I tell people
00:20:37 --> 00:20:40 is, it's kind of funny, what I tell people is
00:20:40 --> 00:20:43 Big Mom Manil was teaching us these skills, they
00:20:43 --> 00:20:46 just didn't have the language for it. Wow. So
00:20:46 --> 00:20:50 your grandma would say, if your friends drop
00:20:50 --> 00:20:53 off a bridge, you're gonna jump too. She's teaching
00:20:53 --> 00:21:02 you self -awareness. That's fire. I love the
00:21:02 --> 00:21:05 translation. I love that. But you know what?
00:21:06 --> 00:21:08 We can't negate what Grandmama Nim was saying,
00:21:08 --> 00:21:10 because that's the only, that's the way they
00:21:10 --> 00:21:13 understood it. That's the rule. It was the way
00:21:13 --> 00:21:16 they was given to them. Yes, yes. And if you
00:21:16 --> 00:21:19 think about social awareness, being aware of
00:21:19 --> 00:21:22 those around you, they would say something like,
00:21:22 --> 00:21:27 feed them with a long handle spoon. You ever
00:21:27 --> 00:21:29 heard that from an elder? They would say feed
00:21:29 --> 00:21:33 them with a long handle spoon, which means be
00:21:33 --> 00:21:37 aware of those around you. So they're teaching
00:21:37 --> 00:21:40 us these skills, birds of a feather flock together.
00:21:40 --> 00:21:44 That's nothing but self -awareness. That's crazy.
00:21:44 --> 00:21:48 Right? And so I take these concepts and flip
00:21:48 --> 00:21:52 them. and so that people can understand that
00:21:52 --> 00:21:55 in education, it's a lot of big language, but
00:21:55 --> 00:21:57 Big Mama never knew how to bring that thing down
00:21:57 --> 00:22:02 to your level. You know, and where you can understand
00:22:02 --> 00:22:05 it. And so that's kind of how I flipped the language
00:22:05 --> 00:22:07 when I'm presenting to teachers and educators.
00:22:08 --> 00:22:10 You know, they always get a good laugh out of
00:22:10 --> 00:22:12 that, but they understand it like, oh, I get
00:22:12 --> 00:22:16 it now. They was teaching us these skills. They
00:22:16 --> 00:22:18 didn't call it emotional intelligence. They called
00:22:18 --> 00:22:21 it having good things. Right? So. That's right.
00:22:22 --> 00:22:24 Coming from Mississippi, right? What part of
00:22:24 --> 00:22:27 Mississippi are you from? I'm from North Mississippi,
00:22:28 --> 00:22:31 born in a town called Tupelo, Mississippi. Okay.
00:22:31 --> 00:22:35 I heard of Tupelo. Okay. So culturally, and I
00:22:35 --> 00:22:38 mean, when I use that word culturally, that fits
00:22:38 --> 00:22:43 us Mississippi culture. the going back to school
00:22:43 --> 00:22:46 or just the even going to school period, what
00:22:46 --> 00:22:49 are some of the challenges you had to deal with
00:22:49 --> 00:22:52 coming, going back to school? I mean, culturally,
00:22:52 --> 00:22:57 with your skin color, being where you were, regionally,
00:22:57 --> 00:22:59 you know what I mean? What difficulties did you
00:22:59 --> 00:23:03 have to deal with? I didn't necessarily have
00:23:03 --> 00:23:06 any when it comes to the culture, right? Okay.
00:23:07 --> 00:23:09 I tell people all the time that a lot of people
00:23:09 --> 00:23:12 get the idea of Mississippi from watching TV.
00:23:12 --> 00:23:17 Right. Okay. And it's nothing like what you see
00:23:17 --> 00:23:20 on TV. There's nobody burned across in your yard.
00:23:20 --> 00:23:24 There's nobody bothering you. There's no, nobody
00:23:24 --> 00:23:26 ride by in a big truck, calling you a nigga,
00:23:26 --> 00:23:29 right? You don't, you don't, you don't hear these
00:23:29 --> 00:23:31 things that that just doesn't happen. Like I
00:23:31 --> 00:23:34 think like now you start to see these like the
00:23:34 --> 00:23:37 Nolan well cage or Like those kind of cases come
00:23:37 --> 00:23:39 up every now and then, and it puts like this
00:23:39 --> 00:23:42 eye back on Mississippi. But in terms of school
00:23:42 --> 00:23:44 and all that, no, we didn't have any challenges
00:23:44 --> 00:23:48 in terms of that, in terms of, you know, no,
00:23:48 --> 00:23:51 nothing like that. I think my biggest challenge
00:23:51 --> 00:23:54 was, so I was born to 14 year old parents. So
00:23:54 --> 00:23:57 I was raised by grandma. I was raised by grandma,
00:23:57 --> 00:24:01 so I was raised very poor. So my biggest challenge
00:24:01 --> 00:24:04 was trying to overcome poverty, just period.
00:24:04 --> 00:24:07 Yeah, but in terms of the culture of Mississippi,
00:24:07 --> 00:24:10 nah, that never presented a challenge with school.
00:24:11 --> 00:24:13 And pardon me, pardon me for that question. And
00:24:13 --> 00:24:17 I asked that based on what we see and through
00:24:17 --> 00:24:21 social media and TV and yeah, TV. I'm just learning
00:24:21 --> 00:24:24 that TV is just the Old Testament version of
00:24:24 --> 00:24:27 social media. Yeah, I get it. I get it. I get
00:24:27 --> 00:24:30 it. So I see you got an Atlanta Braves hat on.
00:24:31 --> 00:24:35 Yeah. Yeah, man. Atlanta is the Place of my awakening.
00:24:35 --> 00:24:40 So I I was able in 2011 I went to the Morehouse
00:24:40 --> 00:24:45 school of religion So yeah, so I went the seminary
00:24:45 --> 00:24:48 there in Atlanta, Georgia for three years and
00:24:48 --> 00:24:51 so that was the place of my awakening man, that's
00:24:51 --> 00:24:55 Man, everything that I do now came from awakening
00:24:55 --> 00:24:59 there in the Atlanta University Center Okay,
00:24:59 --> 00:25:01 they're surrounded by all those universities,
00:25:01 --> 00:25:04 you know being able to walk without the King
00:25:04 --> 00:25:06 walk being able to study in the same places,
00:25:06 --> 00:25:11 being able to, you know, learn from that. Yeah,
00:25:11 --> 00:25:15 yeah, man. So that's the place of my awakening,
00:25:15 --> 00:25:17 man. Every time I go back there, man, I cry.
00:25:17 --> 00:25:20 I get out the car, man, and I instantly start
00:25:20 --> 00:25:23 crying because, man, education is so powerful,
00:25:24 --> 00:25:27 man. Like it, it will do something for your life,
00:25:27 --> 00:25:30 man, that nothing else can do. Education is so
00:25:30 --> 00:25:34 powerful. Yeah. I witnessed that watching my
00:25:34 --> 00:25:38 dad, he got his doctorate from NYU. The thing
00:25:38 --> 00:25:42 that I remember was the subway ride back and
00:25:42 --> 00:25:45 forth from Jersey to New York and the late nights
00:25:45 --> 00:25:50 back and forth and seeing his light on late at
00:25:50 --> 00:25:54 night. I remember that from another side, but
00:25:54 --> 00:25:58 I also remember how his life changed after he
00:25:58 --> 00:26:03 got the doctorate. And he was promoting, he promoted
00:26:03 --> 00:26:08 education and reading and a lot of programs through
00:26:08 --> 00:26:11 like Upward Bound, through his school. How has
00:26:11 --> 00:26:13 your life changed after you got your doctorate?
00:26:13 --> 00:26:22 Oh man, it is, hmm. It's so weird because I'm
00:26:22 --> 00:26:24 doing the same work I was doing with a master's
00:26:24 --> 00:26:26 but now I have like a different level of respect.
00:26:27 --> 00:26:29 That makes sense, okay. That makes all the sense
00:26:29 --> 00:26:32 in the world. Yeah, like I'm doing the same exact
00:26:32 --> 00:26:35 work. I'm not doing anything different than what
00:26:35 --> 00:26:38 I was doing already with a master's but people
00:26:38 --> 00:26:41 give you this new found respect. They put they
00:26:41 --> 00:26:44 put some respect on your name a little more.
00:26:45 --> 00:26:48 There are some rooms you can you can get in that
00:26:48 --> 00:26:52 others can't without the education. And so that's
00:26:52 --> 00:26:55 kind of how that is. So I'm doing the same work
00:26:55 --> 00:26:57 though. You know, I'm not doing anything different.
00:26:59 --> 00:27:01 Well, we're gonna go on our final drive Sports
00:27:01 --> 00:27:03 Jeopardy. Now this is where we kind of get a
00:27:03 --> 00:27:05 little comedic here now, Dr. Chapman. So hang
00:27:05 --> 00:27:09 in there with us now. So we got this tongue twister.
00:27:09 --> 00:27:11 We grew up with tongue twisters. You know, remember
00:27:11 --> 00:27:14 that sea shell, sea shells on the seashore type
00:27:14 --> 00:27:18 stuff? Yeah. Well, I got one for you and I'm
00:27:18 --> 00:27:21 gonna say it first. And then I'm gonna get you
00:27:21 --> 00:27:24 to say it out to me, all right? Okay. So I want
00:27:24 --> 00:27:28 you to say one smart fellow felt smart. Two smart
00:27:28 --> 00:27:31 fellows felt smart, three smart fellows felt
00:27:31 --> 00:27:33 smart, four smart fellows felt smart, and they
00:27:33 --> 00:27:37 all felt smart together. One smart fellow felt
00:27:37 --> 00:27:41 smart, two smart fellows felt smart, three smart
00:27:41 --> 00:27:45 fellows felt smart, four smart fellows felt smart.
00:27:45 --> 00:27:59 and they all felt smart together. Had to slow
00:27:59 --> 00:28:01 down, had to slow down a little bit. You did,
00:28:01 --> 00:28:03 you had to think about it. One of them fellas
00:28:03 --> 00:28:11 was about to fart. Alright, one more question.
00:28:12 --> 00:28:15 What if you were walking on the beach? and you
00:28:15 --> 00:28:18 stumbled upon a lamp, and the genie gave you
00:28:18 --> 00:28:23 three wishes. What would you wish for? Oh, man.
00:28:24 --> 00:28:26 Number one, I would wish that racism would get
00:28:26 --> 00:28:33 out of here. I feel like that's 99 % of our issues.
00:28:35 --> 00:28:40 I would say I wish that hunger could disappear,
00:28:40 --> 00:28:46 world hunger. Come on, Doc. I'm gonna say that
00:28:46 --> 00:28:49 everybody will start becoming readers and learners
00:28:49 --> 00:28:55 Yeah, that we get over yeah, yeah, man that we
00:28:55 --> 00:28:58 get over anti -intellectualism, you know that
00:28:58 --> 00:29:07 we start Reading yeah What region are you in
00:29:07 --> 00:29:09 now? I'm not asking the pin point you're not
00:29:09 --> 00:29:12 cuz I know you're an important man You're still
00:29:12 --> 00:29:14 in Mississippi the Mississippi area still in
00:29:14 --> 00:29:17 Mississippi Yep, yep. Same way you grew up in?
00:29:18 --> 00:29:21 Same place, same place I grew up in. Wow. Yep,
00:29:21 --> 00:29:27 yep. Has it changed a lot? Yes, it's changed
00:29:27 --> 00:29:30 a lot. It's changed a lot. I tell you what, it's
00:29:30 --> 00:29:33 not easy. So you asked a question a minute ago
00:29:33 --> 00:29:38 about the culture of Mississippi. I would say
00:29:38 --> 00:29:42 that I've had to deal with a lot coming back
00:29:42 --> 00:29:46 to the space that I grew up in after obtaining
00:29:46 --> 00:29:50 a certain type of education. Do you think that's
00:29:50 --> 00:29:55 because you are a threat in a sense? Yes, yes,
00:29:55 --> 00:30:00 of course. You didn't even hesitate. Yes, 100%.
00:30:00 --> 00:30:05 100 % from black people and white, not just white.
00:30:06 --> 00:30:09 It's worse when it's your own. Yeah, some of
00:30:09 --> 00:30:12 the biggest gatekeepers that I've experienced
00:30:12 --> 00:30:14 since coming home. Oh, you used that word gatekeeper.
00:30:15 --> 00:30:19 Have been people that look like me, man. Listen,
00:30:19 --> 00:30:22 listen. You just said something. I'm sorry, this
00:30:22 --> 00:30:25 person right now. That happened. You just said
00:30:25 --> 00:30:27 something that just really razzed my raspberry.
00:30:27 --> 00:30:30 Well, you just said the word gatekeeper. That,
00:30:30 --> 00:30:37 I, loathe, that. Yes. That, that. doesn't sit
00:30:37 --> 00:30:41 right with me at all. That's a whole nother level
00:30:41 --> 00:30:45 of jealousy. Absolutely. Gatekeeping. And we
00:30:45 --> 00:30:49 are the worst at it. We should stop it. That
00:30:49 --> 00:30:53 bothers me. So you've ran into more gatekeeping
00:30:53 --> 00:30:56 than anything. I can see that because we all
00:30:56 --> 00:31:00 say with our mouth, you know, we have misers.
00:31:00 --> 00:31:03 We have people that are misers. They say with
00:31:03 --> 00:31:05 their mouth, eat, drink and be merry but with
00:31:05 --> 00:31:10 their heart. They feel totally different. That
00:31:10 --> 00:31:13 is something to pet peeve of mine. Like the chairman.
00:31:14 --> 00:31:17 You notice I just got riled up because I don't.
00:31:18 --> 00:31:22 I don't like that. Yeah, it's real. It's real.
00:31:23 --> 00:31:26 Pastor Baton. Pastor Baton. If you run your leg,
00:31:27 --> 00:31:30 you know you ran a good leg. Pastor Baton. Right.
00:31:31 --> 00:31:36 Yep. Yep. Yep. It's real. So my prayer. is that
00:31:36 --> 00:31:40 people like you, men like you, leaders like you,
00:31:40 --> 00:31:43 that in communities and in places that you're
00:31:43 --> 00:31:47 in, that the gatekeepers, that their backs will
00:31:47 --> 00:31:50 be broken, literally. Their plans, their schemes,
00:31:51 --> 00:31:53 anything they do, they're gonna fail. I do, I
00:31:53 --> 00:31:56 pray that. And that the real generals and the
00:31:56 --> 00:32:00 real leaders, community leaders, they have a
00:32:00 --> 00:32:02 heart. This is like with the education system,
00:32:02 --> 00:32:04 which I was gonna mention. I pray that every
00:32:04 --> 00:32:07 teacher that's a teacher really cares about the
00:32:07 --> 00:32:09 students and ain't just there for a paycheck.
00:32:10 --> 00:32:13 Yeah, yeah. Don't get me started, Dr. Chapman.
00:32:14 --> 00:32:18 Yeah, I hear you. You talking good. So I'm sure
00:32:18 --> 00:32:23 you've run into that. Say it again. I'm sure
00:32:23 --> 00:32:25 you've run into that challenge. We need wholesome
00:32:25 --> 00:32:30 teachers. The problem is that they're not paid,
00:32:30 --> 00:32:32 they're not paid what they should be paid. And
00:32:32 --> 00:32:37 so the top professional that should be teachers
00:32:37 --> 00:32:40 are doing something else. Yeah, yeah, man. People,
00:32:40 --> 00:32:43 they're not being paid what they truly deserve
00:32:43 --> 00:32:45 and they're leaving the profession every day.
00:32:45 --> 00:32:48 I'm seeing more and more teachers leave the profession.
00:32:48 --> 00:32:53 The ICE officials, ICE, so. police officers make
00:32:53 --> 00:32:56 more than way more than teachers. I don't need
00:32:56 --> 00:33:01 to hear that. That's not good. So having said
00:33:01 --> 00:33:06 that, if you could give every student one practical
00:33:06 --> 00:33:09 strategy to protect their mental health and stay
00:33:09 --> 00:33:11 emotionally strong throughout this school year,
00:33:12 --> 00:33:20 what would it be? I'm going to say that to really
00:33:20 --> 00:33:22 tap into the self -identity piece. So I'm really
00:33:22 --> 00:33:25 big. The very first lesson I teach is about self
00:33:25 --> 00:33:30 -identity because from being in so many schools
00:33:30 --> 00:33:33 and talking to so many students, I've discovered
00:33:33 --> 00:33:37 that that is the one piece that most are missing
00:33:37 --> 00:33:40 is that they don't have a knowledge of self.
00:33:41 --> 00:33:44 So if I ask you who you are, you tell me you're
00:33:44 --> 00:33:47 a basketball player. Are you a football player?
00:33:47 --> 00:33:51 No, no, no, no, no. If there was no basketball
00:33:51 --> 00:33:55 court, who are you now? If there was no football
00:33:55 --> 00:33:58 field, who are you now? I wanna hear things like
00:33:58 --> 00:34:01 I'm a brother, I'm a son, I'm a person that loved
00:34:01 --> 00:34:03 God, I'm a person that loved to work hard, I'm
00:34:03 --> 00:34:06 a person that, I wanna know who you are at your
00:34:06 --> 00:34:09 court. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, I
00:34:09 --> 00:34:13 wanna know who you are. And that's the piece
00:34:13 --> 00:34:15 that they're missing. That's what they're not
00:34:15 --> 00:34:18 getting at home. We don't have enough parents
00:34:18 --> 00:34:20 doing self -identity work with their children.
00:34:21 --> 00:34:24 That's why they get to school and become followers
00:34:24 --> 00:34:28 instead of leaders. It's because nobody's working
00:34:28 --> 00:34:32 with them about self -identity. Who are you?
00:34:33 --> 00:34:36 Like every student should have what I call non
00:34:36 --> 00:34:38 -negotiables. There are things you just won't
00:34:38 --> 00:34:42 do. I won't steal my... fellow student phone.
00:34:43 --> 00:34:46 I won't take nothing off the desk. I'm not gonna
00:34:46 --> 00:34:49 fight. I'm not gonna bully anybody. I'm not gonna
00:34:49 --> 00:34:52 do this. You have to have a set of non -negotiables
00:34:52 --> 00:34:56 as a student. There has to be things that you
00:34:56 --> 00:34:59 just simply will not do. I like that. I love
00:34:59 --> 00:35:01 that. I like that non -negotiable. I like that.
00:35:02 --> 00:35:06 You are the Ray Lewis in Motivation to Speak
00:35:06 --> 00:35:10 in my mind. Oh, man. You remind me of Ray Lewis.
00:35:10 --> 00:35:12 I'm fired up. I'm fired up, Coach. Listen, so
00:35:12 --> 00:35:14 do you ever have those type of moments where
00:35:14 --> 00:35:17 you've done a motivational speech where you tread
00:35:17 --> 00:35:20 on the edge of the Ray Lewis type, like you get
00:35:20 --> 00:35:25 that crunk? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get to him. I
00:35:25 --> 00:35:27 done got there before, crying and everything.
00:35:28 --> 00:35:32 Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Man, I get passionate.
00:35:32 --> 00:35:35 I get passionate, man, especially when it comes...
00:35:36 --> 00:35:38 You know, like I said these young black boys
00:35:38 --> 00:35:42 man, I'd be mad I'd go in man. I don't hold anything
00:35:42 --> 00:35:47 back Like I go in like I want them to know that
00:35:47 --> 00:35:52 This world has already decided that it does not
00:35:52 --> 00:35:56 want you to exist. Come on, bro Right. Yeah So
00:35:56 --> 00:36:00 I was watching the young guys that kill a rapper
00:36:00 --> 00:36:02 in Florida. It was a rapper named Julio Fulio
00:36:03 --> 00:36:07 I saw that. The young guys that killed him are
00:36:07 --> 00:36:09 standing in front of a judge, and a white judge
00:36:09 --> 00:36:13 tells him to his face, you're young, so we gonna
00:36:13 --> 00:36:15 get a lot of sweat equity out of you. He sure
00:36:15 --> 00:36:18 did. He says sweat equity. I saw that. Yes, sir.
00:36:19 --> 00:36:22 So what he, the judge says, our prison population
00:36:22 --> 00:36:27 is up in age. So he's basically telling him,
00:36:27 --> 00:36:29 we need more young fellows down here to come
00:36:29 --> 00:36:36 work these fields. Oh Lord, yeah. It's slavery,
00:36:36 --> 00:36:40 yeah. Yeah, it's slavery. Man, and I'm always
00:36:40 --> 00:36:42 trying to let these fellas know, that's why I
00:36:42 --> 00:36:47 get so hyped up, is that, bro, they don't care
00:36:47 --> 00:36:50 about you. Like, you're not even smart enough
00:36:50 --> 00:36:52 to be a criminal. I tell them to their face,
00:36:52 --> 00:36:56 you're too dumb. You're not smart enough to be
00:36:56 --> 00:36:59 a criminal. Like, who commits a murder and then
00:36:59 --> 00:37:02 go to Instagram and rap about it? All right.
00:37:03 --> 00:37:07 So let me say this, Dr. Chapman. Yes, sir. Kanye
00:37:07 --> 00:37:10 West said something that upset the black community.
00:37:11 --> 00:37:13 He made a statement that upset the black community.
00:37:13 --> 00:37:15 And I'm going to say it, but I'm going to give
00:37:15 --> 00:37:19 my translation of it. He said, and I quote, black
00:37:19 --> 00:37:23 people chose slavery. Now, end quote. Let me
00:37:23 --> 00:37:27 give my translation, the modern day translation
00:37:27 --> 00:37:30 to me. Would you just say it? If we go and murder
00:37:30 --> 00:37:34 somebody, We choose slavery. When we go to break
00:37:34 --> 00:37:37 in somebody's house and steal something that
00:37:37 --> 00:37:40 they work for and that we didn't, we choose slavery.
00:37:41 --> 00:37:44 We choosing slavery. So now it's two sides of
00:37:44 --> 00:37:47 the coin. I know we're dealt the unfair hand.
00:37:48 --> 00:37:51 That's one side. But let's not get to that by
00:37:51 --> 00:37:56 making choices that's gonna coincide with what
00:37:56 --> 00:37:59 they're claiming we are. Right, right. Right.
00:37:59 --> 00:38:02 We have to count it. What I call it. Counteracting
00:38:02 --> 00:38:05 negative stereotypes. Okay. I like that. Yeah.
00:38:05 --> 00:38:09 So you've ever read anything about, uh, y 'all
00:38:09 --> 00:38:13 ever read Dr. Jawan's again, Jufu? No, I haven't.
00:38:13 --> 00:38:16 No. He wrote the book called counter and the
00:38:16 --> 00:38:22 conspiracy to, uh, destroy black boys. And, and,
00:38:22 --> 00:38:26 and so his main thing is about this, this counteracting.
00:38:27 --> 00:38:30 These negative stereotypes and doing things differently.
00:38:30 --> 00:38:33 He was from Chicago So he was he was up there
00:38:33 --> 00:38:34 where a lot of violence was you know, what's
00:38:34 --> 00:38:38 going on every day? Yeah, and and so I kind of
00:38:38 --> 00:38:40 take that approach is that we have to counteract
00:38:40 --> 00:38:44 negative stereotypes Like we already know the
00:38:44 --> 00:38:46 traps are set. Why are we still falling in the
00:38:46 --> 00:38:52 trap, right? Yeah, Oh because we have to take
00:38:52 --> 00:38:56 a different stance like We cannot keep doing
00:38:56 --> 00:39:00 the same things over and over and over expecting
00:39:00 --> 00:39:03 different result, man. We gotta do something
00:39:03 --> 00:39:11 different. Dr. Chapman, there's a mantra with
00:39:11 --> 00:39:18 us that we are constantly At -risk living our
00:39:18 --> 00:39:23 life that we do we make at -risk choices Yeah
00:39:23 --> 00:39:28 at -risk environments around risk people doing
00:39:28 --> 00:39:32 at -risk things We just stop that but as we talk
00:39:32 --> 00:39:35 about remember some of that at -risk stuff seem
00:39:35 --> 00:39:39 normal to a lot of them Because it's been normalized.
00:39:40 --> 00:39:44 Yeah It's a it's a saying that after a while,
00:39:44 --> 00:39:47 trauma in a people starts to look like culture,
00:39:47 --> 00:39:53 right? It's a saying that after a while, trauma
00:39:53 --> 00:39:59 in a people starts to look like culture. So when
00:39:59 --> 00:40:02 you hear people say it's a culture, I'm like,
00:40:02 --> 00:40:05 no, I don't necessarily agree with it. It's like
00:40:05 --> 00:40:09 culture because I know like even in the hood,
00:40:09 --> 00:40:12 even if Even in the hood, that's what some of
00:40:12 --> 00:40:17 the best people live. Some of the best grandma,
00:40:17 --> 00:40:20 some of the best auntie, some of the best people
00:40:20 --> 00:40:24 live right there in the hood. But what happens
00:40:24 --> 00:40:28 is trauma over a certain amount of time starts
00:40:28 --> 00:40:31 to look like culture. So it starts to look like
00:40:31 --> 00:40:33 all black men are killing each other. We know
00:40:33 --> 00:40:37 that's not true. Like it starts to look like
00:40:37 --> 00:40:41 this, this, this, this, this. But that's because
00:40:41 --> 00:40:44 so much trauma has been allowed to just permeate
00:40:44 --> 00:40:47 through our community so long. And it's like,
00:40:47 --> 00:40:49 man, when are we gonna deal with this trauma?
00:40:51 --> 00:40:53 So we have this question, and this is not even
00:40:53 --> 00:40:56 on here. The last question I asked you was supposed
00:40:56 --> 00:40:59 to be the last one, but apparently not. So we
00:40:59 --> 00:41:01 have this question that we used to ask our guests,
00:41:01 --> 00:41:04 and it's about if you were the president, and
00:41:04 --> 00:41:07 I want to ask you this, because. I wanna hear
00:41:07 --> 00:41:10 your answer. If you were the president, what
00:41:10 --> 00:41:13 two things would you change? If you were the
00:41:13 --> 00:41:16 president, if you could change two things, what
00:41:16 --> 00:41:19 two things would you change? Two things I would
00:41:19 --> 00:41:23 change as president. I would change, I would
00:41:23 --> 00:41:27 get rid of all student loan debt for every single
00:41:27 --> 00:41:30 American. Right. I think somebody else said that.
00:41:30 --> 00:41:34 Yeah, because... That would free up you talking
00:41:34 --> 00:41:38 about having a great economy Wow, like that would
00:41:38 --> 00:41:41 free up that would free up so much money for
00:41:41 --> 00:41:47 the American people If if if we could do that,
00:41:47 --> 00:41:54 so And number two, let me see number two number
00:41:54 --> 00:41:59 two Universal health care I would give universal
00:41:59 --> 00:42:02 health care Can I leave? Yeah, I got to do it.
00:42:03 --> 00:42:10 Yeah, yeah. Yo, yo. If you release both of those,
00:42:10 --> 00:42:15 Dr. Chapman, if you relinquish now, you open
00:42:15 --> 00:42:20 it up wide for monetary gain. Yeah. Yes. Yes.
00:42:20 --> 00:42:24 Yup. Yup. That'd be almost Jubilee, bruh. Yeah,
00:42:24 --> 00:42:28 it would be. It would be. And it's really sickening
00:42:28 --> 00:42:34 that countries who don't even make nearby the
00:42:34 --> 00:42:37 GDP that we have. And they have better health
00:42:37 --> 00:42:39 care, better everything. They have universal
00:42:39 --> 00:42:41 health care. And they can go to university for
00:42:41 --> 00:42:46 free as well. And we can do it. The amount of
00:42:46 --> 00:42:50 money we send overseas, we can do it. But it's
00:42:50 --> 00:42:54 our greed. It's our greed, man. We're full of
00:42:54 --> 00:42:58 greed. Listen, listen fellas. We have just allowed
00:42:58 --> 00:43:00 a man to become a trillionaire. I want you to
00:43:00 --> 00:43:06 think about that. So I wanted to do some research.
00:43:06 --> 00:43:09 I want to really know what a trillion dollars
00:43:09 --> 00:43:14 was in terms of money, how long you could spend
00:43:14 --> 00:43:18 it, all those things. If you are a trillionaire,
00:43:18 --> 00:43:22 you can spend a million dollars a day for the
00:43:22 --> 00:43:28 next 2 years. Oh, man. Now, I want you to
00:43:28 --> 00:43:31 think about that. That's longer than when Jesus
00:43:31 --> 00:43:36 walked the earth. Yeah, yeah. 2 years, you
00:43:36 --> 00:43:39 can spend a million dollars every single day.
00:43:39 --> 00:43:43 And this country allows a man to gain that kind
00:43:43 --> 00:43:46 of wealth while saying that single mothers can't
00:43:46 --> 00:43:49 get $6 a day at food stamps. I want you to think
00:43:49 --> 00:43:53 about that. Right. So they're not supporting
00:43:53 --> 00:43:56 him as the problem. They're pointing at the single
00:43:56 --> 00:43:58 mother who got Froot Loops and Popsicles in her
00:43:58 --> 00:44:04 buggy. They saying she's the problem. Wow. But
00:44:04 --> 00:44:08 a guy that got a trillion dollars. They don't
00:44:08 --> 00:44:12 see that as an issue. So that tells you everything
00:44:12 --> 00:44:15 you need to know about where we are. Capitalism.
00:44:17 --> 00:44:22 We're imploding, man. It's crazy. Dr. Chapman,
00:44:22 --> 00:44:24 what are you gonna be speaking at, man? I might
00:44:24 --> 00:44:27 need to catch you. What's your schedule looking
00:44:27 --> 00:44:30 like? Man, my next, I'm finna go to Detroit.
00:44:31 --> 00:44:35 To D? Man, I had been to Detroit like, since
00:44:35 --> 00:44:40 1994. I was a teenager. They say it's a new Detroit,
00:44:40 --> 00:44:43 so I wanna go see it. I heard. Yeah. What you
00:44:43 --> 00:44:46 got going on in Detroit? So I'm speaking at a
00:44:46 --> 00:44:50 charter school conference. Okay. Yeah, it's gonna
00:44:50 --> 00:44:53 be charter school conference. I'm gonna be speaking
00:44:53 --> 00:44:56 to educators. I'm not working with these black
00:44:56 --> 00:44:59 boys. That's what I do. I stay in my lane. So
00:44:59 --> 00:45:01 you're gonna have a room full of educators, you
00:45:01 --> 00:45:05 said? Room full of educators. Wow. Yes, sir.
00:45:05 --> 00:45:08 Nice. Very impressive. Man, we sure appreciate
00:45:08 --> 00:45:11 you, man, for being on the show. Man, I've enjoyed
00:45:11 --> 00:45:15 this. I've enjoyed this, man. Dr. Chapman. Other
00:45:15 --> 00:45:17 things you want to say to the people before you
00:45:17 --> 00:45:23 go? Listen, here's what I wanna say. Start reading.
00:45:24 --> 00:45:27 Reading will change or like nationwide black
00:45:27 --> 00:45:32 boys read at about 17 % proficiency nationwide.
00:45:32 --> 00:45:35 That's horrible. By the time they reach fourth
00:45:35 --> 00:45:37 grade. That's horrible. Yeah, it is true. So
00:45:37 --> 00:45:40 when we walk in schools, what we actually see
00:45:40 --> 00:45:42 is boys 17, 18 years old reading at a second
00:45:42 --> 00:45:46 grade reading level. That's horrible. So. What
00:45:46 --> 00:45:50 I want to say to this audience is get your son's
00:45:50 --> 00:45:53 reading earlier in life. Stop playing. You can
00:45:53 --> 00:45:56 you can buy them George. You can buy them a tutor.
00:45:56 --> 00:46:00 You can you can. You can buy all these other
00:46:00 --> 00:46:02 things. You can get them a person that can help
00:46:02 --> 00:46:08 them read out just today. That's right. I kid
00:46:08 --> 00:46:11 you not. I kid you not fellas. I got a call.
00:46:11 --> 00:46:16 Lively today today. from a lady in California.
00:46:17 --> 00:46:20 They bought about 25 of my books for their team.
00:46:20 --> 00:46:21 The same book I was just talking about, Team
00:46:21 --> 00:46:26 Success Guy. Her request to me was, Dr. Chapman,
00:46:26 --> 00:46:29 can you please make it in an audio book, because
00:46:29 --> 00:46:32 my students can't read. That was today. It happened
00:46:32 --> 00:46:37 today. Today. Wow. Yeah. So I instantly went
00:46:37 --> 00:46:42 on Fiverr .com to find somebody that I can send
00:46:42 --> 00:46:45 my manuscript to. and they'll record the audio
00:46:45 --> 00:46:49 for me in a nice tone, nice cool tone. You know,
00:46:49 --> 00:46:52 all that good stuff. And I'm gonna make that
00:46:52 --> 00:46:55 so that those students that can't read can listen
00:46:55 --> 00:46:59 to the book. Yeah. So we gotta get our students
00:46:59 --> 00:47:02 reading, man. We can't play around with this
00:47:02 --> 00:47:05 thing. We can't play around. Yeah, that's true.
00:47:05 --> 00:47:09 That's true. Dr. Omar Chapman, ladies and gentlemen.
00:47:12 --> 00:47:15 Man, we so appreciate you doing it on the show.
00:47:16 --> 00:47:18 Hey, listen, let's do a part two. Let's do a
00:47:18 --> 00:47:21 part two. Bring it back. Sounds good. Listen,
00:47:21 --> 00:47:23 you ain't saying nothing but a word. Sounds good.
00:47:24 --> 00:47:28 Yes, sir. We appreciate you. All right. That
00:47:28 --> 00:47:31 was a good interview, dude. That was a super
00:47:31 --> 00:47:34 good interview, man. Take a second. All right.
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00:47:47 --> 00:47:49 .com. Man, that was a good one. Yeah.